Films that misrepresent religion

When a film comes out that is perceived as misrepresenting Christianity, the complaints are all over the press. When it’s Judaism, the press still covers it, but less so. There’s even less when the religion in question is Islam, but it’s still there.

So, how about the rest of us?

Use this as a place to kvetch about those films you feel haven’t been recognized as potentially misrepresenting or defaming a religion (or lack thereof). No Da Vinci Code, please, unless it’s in comparison to something else. That one’s already been done to death :-).

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Cookie jar (4.00 / 19)

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by Morgan on Thu May 4th, 2006 at 15:02:06 PDT

For a Pagan (4.00 / 10)

The list can be quite long, however, I offer these travesties:

  • The Craft (or, as I call it, “Salem 90210”)
  • To Save a Child (a real piece of excriment foisted upon the nation by, of all places, Lifetime, where a child is “abducted” into Pagansim and must be “rescued”.  It’s working title was “The Craft”, and it was to air on ABC, but controversy from the Pagan community made them at first scuttle the film, and then air it on Lifetime under another name.)

I’ll post more later.

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by Taliesin on Thu May 4th, 2006 at 15:30:32 PDT

Interesting idea. (4.00 / 10)

But I think I’d have to say that I have never seen a film that doesn’t misrepresent just about everything, not just religion. Film is not intended to be the image of life, just the image of life that the director/producer thinks he’d like, or what we’d like to see isn’t it?

Given the discussion over on the coffee hour, I suspect the problem is some people take film (and YV) far too seriously.

by Aunt Arctic on Thu May 4th, 2006 at 15:52:23 PDT

That should of course, be TV. (4.00 / 8)

by Aunt Arctic on Thu May 4th, 2006 at 15:52:52 PDT

What?? (4.00 / 8)

I thought all witches could levitate, fly on brooms, change shape, teleport, freeze or blow things up, and, even travel through time.
Oh wait, that’s Charmed!
Never mind.
Think I’ll go Wiccaning a baby now…
😛

(Wiccaning, the Wiccan version of Christening… I guess…. makes my solitary practicioner boyfriend want to retch. :P)

Then again, I can’t bitch too much, I actually like the show…

Our gift is Free Will. Infinite in Potential, limited only in Experience.

by R Elland on Thu May 4th, 2006 at 16:47:46 PDT

OK, I’ll bite (4.00 / 9)

(Down, Wolfie 😉

Why is having a naming/recognition ceremony OK for Christians but a gak for pagans? Considering that the social event of introducing the community to a new child, naming god/goddess parents (or otherwise noting who the child’s parent surrogates are), etc., isn’t just a Christian thing, after all.

Or is it just the way some wiccans go about it that makes him gak? 🙂

The only thing I object to is dedicating a child to the service of the gods, which some ceremonies do, but I’d object to that no matter which gods were involved, pagan, Christian, or otherwise. That sort of devotion should be the child’s decision when sie is old enough to make the call hirself.

by Morgan on Thu May 4th, 2006 at 17:13:05 PDT

Yep. (4.00 / 6)

I’m fine with blessing a child, with welcoming a child into the world… and into a community that child’s parents are part of.

But dedicating a child to some god?

Just a step or two short of infant sacrifice there, IMO. <squick>

by ogre on Fri May 5th, 2006 at 00:07:27 PDT

What church phrases it that way? (4.00 / 5)

I have heard parents dedicate themselves to bringing a child up with God in their lives which is I think the normal script in Catholic christenings.

Certainly, that is the script in child dedications in my church. It is the parents dedicating themselves to a task.

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by JCHFleetguy on Fri May 5th, 2006 at 07:20:01 PDT

Well, with my kids, (4.00 / 5)

It was Assemblies of God churches and yes, the child was dedicated to God. I used to have the certificates, but I think their dad has them now. If I remember aright, the rationale harkened back to Samuel, which has more resemblance to the medieval practice of oblation.

None of my babies cried, but Lydia gakked on the pastor’s suit. 😉

by Lainie on Fri May 5th, 2006 at 08:29:13 PDT

I thought of the Old Testament (4.00 / 3)

version, and Catholic families would tried to bring their first borns to the convent or priesthood – but even here isn’t it more like an arranged marriage than a sacrifice?

Certainly the idea of priesthood and being a nun is the idea of being married to God.

In the Old Testament cases is was presented as something rare, and God-directed, and not a general requirement of parenthood.

I certainly would not dedicate my child to God; but only myself to raising my child with God.

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by JCHFleetguy on Fri May 5th, 2006 at 10:37:21 PDT

My answer is… (4.00 / 3)

Don’t look at me!! I’m highly adaptable to the idea and the word being utilized. But the b-friend has never heard of it. And since it’s a tv show… he get’s edgy about it.

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by R Elland on Fri May 5th, 2006 at 11:51:06 PDT

Hoping no one’s offended by this (4.00 / 9)

I’ve  been wanting  to write a diary about how network television has an aversion to stuff that deals with religion that asks hard questions, but I haven’t gotten around to it.  Anyway, consider: “Nothing Sacred” ran only one season.  “Joan of Arcadia” ran two.  And there was “Insight”, the wonderful anthology show produced by the Paulists some years back with casting worthy of prime time, but it didn’t run at night on the networks. All tremendous, finding faith  at the margins stuff.  All shows that dealt with hard questions in ways that weren’t always neatly tied up by hour’s end.  

Instead we get my nomination for this category, which featured during its long run guest shots by none other than Muhammad Ali, Kirk Douglas, and Rosa Parks.  Yes, I’m talking about the much beloved (and much different than its original concept) “Touched By An Angel”.  I don’t think it misrepresents religious beliefs or practices (as do “The Craft” and the Lifetime movie Taliesin mentioned).  But it oversimplifies faith to the point of a glow in the dark bumper sticker, with an annoying turn by Della Reese to boot.

TBAA was not, like “Joan of Arcadia”, concerned with life as a puzzle with God’s answers not always clear or satisfactory.  When John Masius created TBAA, he had a more complex idea in mind than the final product.  Something closer to original vision was reflected in his cable series (and answer to TBAA), “Dead Like Me”.  Instead, in the hands of producer Martha Williamson, TBAA turned into a pat celebration of bumper sticker platitudes.  Faith was not to be found at the margins, but instead by accepting all too easy answers to hard questions.    And you could always set your watch by this show — 45 minutes in, Roma Downey would glow in the dark and offer a simplistic “God has a plan” pep talk in that Irish brogue of hers.  And the plot would end, week in and week out, with an (almost literal) deus ex machina plot device.  (To see how  a quality TV show deals more realistically with questions about faith and life and death are really dealt with, check out the last three episodes of “House, MD”, particularly the one with the young faith healer from a couple of weeks back and the last scene between House and Wilson).

No, instead of Roma Downey glowing in the dark, give me Kevin Anderson’s young, very human priest at the pilot of “Nothing Sacred”, putting on Lena Horne’s “I Don’t Think I’ll End It All Today” and taking satisfaction with his work after a long, hard day.  Or Joan, debating God and coming through a trying process to a greater understanding of herself.  Or Keenan Wynn as God in one episode of “Insight”, insisting that Adam question him.  Or Lt. Worf on “Star Trek: The Next Generation”, coming to terms with the idea that sometimes the words uttered by a prophet (in his case, the Klingon messiah figure Kahless) are more important than the man who uttered them.  And just think: Joan didn’t have to glow in the dark, either.

“Too many Christians use the Bible as a drunk does a lamppost — for support rather than for illumination.”- William Sloane Coffin

by Theodoric of York Medieval Liberal on Thu May 4th, 2006 at 20:47:25 PDT

Joan was just crazy. (4.00 / 5)

Or was the question part of the point.

Not thought of in terms of those big philosophical questions, but Quantum Leap in its later stages really started to touch on this sort of stuff and, because it had a following by that stage, was able to do so pretty well. I think the problem with a series starting with that sort of difficult, spiritual premise is that it’s hard, and when a series hasn’t yet developed a following, presenting that sort of tough plotline to the viewer is a good way to get them to go find something easier to watch.

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by Expat Briton on Thu May 4th, 2006 at 21:14:06 PDT

Spiritual doesn’t always mean religious… (4.00 / 5)

But spiritual is tough.

The “House vs. God” episode was good, but the Christmas episode from the first season is much better for discussing that sort of thing. The last episode was more about Foreman than anything else, setting up the last two episodes (Basically Foreman is the one who is sick. Very intense stuff)

Yeah. I’m a big House fan.

I think that for me, the most moving stuff is when it’s not expected.  the other recent example I can give, is an episode of Scrubs. (Which I believe was nominated for best writing..didn’t win however :(. It co-starred Brenden Fraiser, who basically ran away from lukemia and came back. I won’t spoil it, but it was simply moving.

I’m a big anime fan as well. And quite frankly, I get more spirit out of Naruto or Full Metal Alchemist than anything other than the big two on network TV. (Being House and Scrubs. Yeah I’m particular)

CSI isn’t bad. Actually it’s pretty good as well. Which is why they were picked as one of the worst shows by that censorship group. They just couldn’t stand the Grissom fatherly character I think.

I find it more comforting to think that this life is more than just a test.

by Karmakin on Thu May 4th, 2006 at 21:36:26 PDT

I hear you- (4.00 / 5)

I’m a big anime fan as well. And quite frankly, I get more spirit out of Naruto or Full Metal Alchemist than anything other than the big two on network TV.

I can understand that. I have to admit that probably my biggest ‘spiritual’ influence in terms of values and personal growth, is the Harry Potter series. And I don’t think that I’m the only one.

My un-favorite religious movies? Anything with Bing Crosby and the usual “Oh no! Snidely Whiplash is about to buy the church from under us and turn all of us nuns and orphans out into the snow on Christmas Eve! Father McIrish, whatever shall we do?”

Gag.

by Lainie on Thu May 4th, 2006 at 22:54:35 PDT

Agreed on the Christmas episode (4.00 / 3)

and the Scrubs episode was also extremely good.

As positive examples, there are two “West Wing” episodes that leap to mind.  First is the one with Mrs. Landingham’s funeral, and Bartlet’s railing against God in the National Cathedral.  The other is  the one in which Bartlet and Arnold Vinick discuss religion over ice cream at the White House, and Vinick (a man who is not a churchgoer) pointedly telling reporters that people shouldn’t look to their politicians for religious advice.

I’m not a huge CSI fan, and I think the biggest problem for me is Grissom.  I just can’t like the character.  Your mileage, of course, may vary.

“Too many Christians use the Bible as a drunk does a lamppost — for support rather than for illumination.”- William Sloane Coffin

by Theodoric of York Medieval Liberal on Fri May 5th, 2006 at 20:48:25 PDT

Star Trek! (4.00 / 3)

My nomination for a show that dealt with complexities of religion and faith is DS9.

“As scientific knowledge advances, it does not mean that religious knowledge retreats.”
– horse69 on the bnet recon C&C board

by lonespark on Sat May 6th, 2006 at 07:59:34 PDT

In the (4.00 / 3)

Transcendently Lame Representations of Paganism category, my vote would have to go to The Guardian, an almost unbelievably bad offering from William Friedkin.  Fresh from his triumph over the Catholic Church in the Exorcist, in this one, he has at Druidism as personified by a murderous psychopath nanny whose simple faith in oak trees requires her to use her little charge as a human sacrifice.  

by True Blue on Fri May 5th, 2006 at 12:47:52 PDT

This isn’t really so much offensive. . . (4.00 / 3)

But in Japan, the popular view of Christianity and Judaism is about the same as the popular western view of, say, Buddhism: That is, as mysterious and mystical. So in a huge number of Japanese TV shows and movies, you get really bizzare representations of Western religion. My favorite example is Neon Genesis Evangelion, a fairly famous anime, which features Japan being attacked by Angels, giant, cross-shaped explosions, and references to about half the stuff in the Kabbalah. And its surprisingly entertaining.

by Caliban120 on Fri May 5th, 2006 at 13:21:52 PDT

Actually.. (4.00 / 3)

I love NGE, myself. But it brings up a bigger point.

People tend to get offended when you “riff” off of religions. They don’t mind if you rip them to shreds, and they don’t mind if you ignore them.

But if you try to expand on them in a fiction environment, that’s when they get really upset.

But the religious symbolim in NGE is secondary, in the end to the sexual symbolism. Not as in Freudian type stuff, but more in to coming of age and growing into a truly confident self.

I love “alternatives”. I love alternative history, and I love retellings of religons and legend. I love throwing a twist on it, because only through that I find you can truly appriciate the original in full-depth.

Another good example of this is Final Fantasy:The Spirits Within, which takes on holistic “whole-earth” theories and expands it into a post-apocolyptic story.

I find it more comforting to think that this life is more than just a test.

by Karmakin on Fri May 5th, 2006 at 13:43:08 PDT

One more thing.. (4.00 / 3)

If I ever wanted infamy, I have a story outline that I created several years ago that basically retells certain parts of the OT, from the Garden of Eden on.

It goes from the concept of “the winner writes the history”, retelling the eternal conflict between faith and rationality, in the guise of the war in heaven. (Yeah Yeah. It’s a strawman. But this is just for fiction).

I find it more comforting to think that this life is more than just a test.

by Karmakin on Fri May 5th, 2006 at 13:49:50 PDT

Twofer. (4.00 / 3)

A friend once made me endure The Wicker Man, which managed to f-up both Christianity and Paganism.  The music was often interesting, though.

The Wine of Youth ferments this night in the veins of God – Alfred de Musset.

by dirkster42 on Fri May 5th, 2006 at 14:00:06 PDT

Wicker Man (4.00 / 3)

At least it had Christopher Lee and the always wonderful Edward Woodward.  This is one cult movie that I just don’t understand why the fuss.  And, yeah, it did miss the boat on both Christianity and Paganism.  

Believe it or not, there’s a remake in the works with Nicolas Cage; Neil La Bute, who has done some interesting work in the past, is directing.  Still, the question is why remake this?  Not that I liked the original…

“Too many Christians use the Bible as a drunk does a lamppost — for support rather than for illumination.”- William Sloane Coffin

by Theodoric of York Medieval Liberal on Fri May 5th, 2006 at 20:30:36 PDT

Back to films:How do we overlook (4.00 / 3)

Mel’s “Passion”?  This film misrepresented the essence of Christianity by placing 99.9% of the focus on Christ’s torture and death.  In fact, the slight nod given to his life, love and teaching was an add-in after the original cut took too much flack.  Not only do I think it misinformed any non-Christians in the audience, I think it caused a great many Christians to take their “eye off the ball.”

by RussellKing on Sat May 6th, 2006 at 06:48:58 PDT

A rabbi in Jacksonville, Florida had (4.00 / 3)

what I think is probably the best reaction: “not enough grace”.  For me, it came down to 2 hours of seeing someone tortured, with little else to offer unless you shared Mel Gibson’s particular brand of Christianity.

“Too many Christians use the Bible as a drunk does a lamppost — for support rather than for illumination.”- William Sloane Coffin

by Theodoric of York Medieval Liberal on Sat May 6th, 2006 at 16:17:13 PDT

Ok, so what did you guys (4.00 / 3)

think of “The Last Temptation of Christ?”  I had a mixed reaction myself but I’m not a big William Dafoe fan.

by goldenglove on Sat May 6th, 2006 at 14:14:34 PDT

asdf (none / 1)

I loved David Bowie as Pilate.

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by AggieDemocrat on Mon May 8th, 2006 at 10:59:47 PDT

Joan and Temptation (4.00 / 3)

My wife and I watched Joan of Arcadia regularly.  I was disappointed, but not surprised when it was canceled.  It was done in by its demographics.  The viewership skewed too old. The writing was inconsistent, but when it was good it was very, very good. Also, I was not excited by the direction the show was being turned for the season that didn’t happen.

To me the two biggest issues with Last Temptation was Jesus being played by anglo westerner, and his lack of charisma.  Jesus must have had great charisma to draw the crowds he he did and cause the response he had among the Pharisees, etc.

“All them gods are just about the same” John Prine

by jakethesnake on Sat May 6th, 2006 at 16:22:24 PDT

David and Bathsheba (4.00 / 2)

I showed the gregory Peck movie to a “born-again” friend of mine and she wound up going on and on about unbiblical and antibiblical both the movie and Hollywood was.  

Mind you, the verses on which the movie was based could be read in less than a minute or two.  I would imagine an absolutely accurate, true to the Bible movie would be a very, very short subject.

by grada3784 on Thu May 11th, 2006 at 08:56:30 PDT

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