Embarrassing religious (so-called) leaders

Someone asked on another diary if pagans have an equivalent of Pat Robertson. Several of us thought of the same guy: Kevin Carlyon.

Kevvy-poo (as a friend of mine refers to him) just can’t stay out of the press for long, more’s the pity. His latest: threatening to curse a concert at Loch Ness [1].

White witch Kevin Carlyon fears Fatboy’s dance grooves will scare off Nessie and ruin a ritual to help childless couples.

The High Priest of Loch Ness fears the DJ’s tunes will spoil the mood as the couples make love by the waterside.

Even the mainstreamers are wondering about this yabo:

Event promoter Robert Hicks saw the funny side.

But he said: “I thought white witches were supposed to be good. It’s not very charitable to put a curse on 20,000 people who are having fun.”

Worst. Dressed. Witch. Ever.

For the record, his “King of the Witches” title is self-anointed. No one I’ve ever heard of in the wider neo-pagan community recognizes any “king” or “queen,” at least not on more than a local or temporary basis (like for one festival).


Danger: Snark Ahead (4.00 / 5)

Judging from his robes and haircut, perhaps the title “Queen of the Witches” would be more apt?

“To make life easier and to be happy ended up being two different things.” – Arjuna’s Father, Earth Girl Arjuna.

by Egarwaen on Tue Apr 4th, 2006 at 10:22:09 PDT

ROFLMAO ! (4.00 / 5)

Loud ‘n’ proud member of species Propheticus lycanthroponica since his “turning” circa 1684 C.E.

by The Werewolf Prophet on Tue Apr 4th, 2006 at 11:16:55 PDT

To be fair… (4.00 / 7)

… he’s just a joke, where Robertson is a cancer on “Christianity”.

by Puma on Tue Apr 4th, 2006 at 11:20:46 PDT

Yes, he’s a joke (4.00 / 5)

But the media actually covers this jerk and gives us all a bad name. I mean, news stories because this “authority” says J.K has the kids at Hogwarts riding their brooms backwards? He thinks he’s hot, but he gives some an example to point at to say “look at the silly pagans — you can’t take them seriously.”

Roberston’s only worse because he’s (supposedly) representing a religion that people take seriously, so they give his words weight. It’s be nice if he was just a laughing stock like Kevvy-poo :-).

by Morgan on Tue Apr 4th, 2006 at 11:38:34 PDT

Well, Robertson is worse (4.00 / 4)

Because he has a meaningful amount of political power, and major (Republican) political leaders have to at least pay the appearance of homage.  I got in an argument with a liberal republican friend this morning who claimed that the Dems had to do the same with the likes of Al Sharpton, but the reality is that nothing is equivalent to the kind of political clout wielded by the religious right’s hypocrites-in-chief like Robertson, Falwell, Dobson et al.  

Kevin, in contrast, is kind of to paganism what Michael Bolton is to pop music, no?  Unfortunate, but not dangerous.  

by True Blue on Tue Apr 4th, 2006 at 12:13:15 PDT

You seriously owe me a keyboard (4.00 / 4)

“…what Michael Bolton is to pop music, no?  Unfortunate, but not dangerous.”


“When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.” — Hunter S. Thompson

by rune on Tue Apr 4th, 2006 at 13:51:01 PDT

LOL (4.00 / 2)

Anyone who blogs seriously better have a splert-proof keyboard…

“Having just acquired a splert-proof keyboard two weeks a go…”

Choo Choo Q. ~Retired locomotive engineer, Author, Wiccan priestess–and snarky were-wolverine since 1999.

by Quotefiend on Tue Apr 4th, 2006 at 14:04:47 PDT

What does it mean (4.00 / 3)

I owe you a keyboard?  Sorry, don’t mean to be thick but clarification appreciated.  

by True Blue on Tue Apr 4th, 2006 at 14:13:26 PDT

Oh wait,I think I get it (4.00 / 3)

Because you cracked up and spit something you were drinking all over your keyboard?  Is that it?


by True Blue on Tue Apr 4th, 2006 at 14:26:28 PDT

Basically what I said (4.00 / 5)

Roberson is worse than Kevvy because he has more “power.”

by Morgan on Tue Apr 4th, 2006 at 16:00:29 PDT

Times like this (4.00 / 4)

I really MISS Sybil Leek. An older lady with badly dyed hair and a jackdaw on her shoulder might be odd, but she resonated kindliness–andshe never cursed anyone.

It could be worse.  It could be a Wiccan Aleister Crowley–someone colorful enough to attract the press and actually do serious harm with a curse.

Has anyone bothered to tell the press that Wiccans don’t do curses, therefore this guy is an apostate?

by irishwitch on Tue Apr 4th, 2006 at 21:18:19 PDT

Kevin makes frequent appearances (4.00 / 3)

in Fortean Times magazine, which treats him like the not-so-funny joke he is. (This ability to recognize humor, or at least apply it when it’s due, seems to be much more common in Britain than in America….hrmmm)

I laugh along, but in some ways he represents an underlying issue that grates on me. I really long for a day when “the mainstream” takes us seriously. No one has to really understand us; that might be asking too much. But I do wish we’d be seen as a legitimate religious faith, and not a dress-up game for kooks and nutters. (I have this same rant when I notice all the books on Wicca shelved with the “New Age” books, usually next to UFO books. It makes me sigh a little.)

Okay, rant over.

But I know what irishwitch means when she says she misses Sybil Leek. 😀

by LunarEclipse on Wed Apr 5th, 2006 at 08:10:49 PDT

As “Worst Dressed Witch” (4.00 / 3)

He doesn’t match up to Laurie Cabot, the Tammy Faye of Witchcraft.

Unfortunately, there are people who say they are Witches or Pagans and are in disrepute with the local community. Sometimes, because they are flashy, and very willing to talk to reporters, they misrepresent the Craft.

We have no equivalent to Robertson because we have very little power or influence in the political or secular arena. I can think of well known Pagans I disagree with, but none who are are vile, or so at odds with the core of their religion, as many so-called “Christian” leaders.

by MagentaMN on Wed Apr 5th, 2006 at 08:21:22 PDT

One thing about Laurie (4.00 / 3)

Is that she’s been fighting for equal rights for Witches for over 30 years now.  You may like or hate her flamboyant style, but Wiccans and Pagans visiting Salem can feel more accepted and comfortable there than just about any other community in the country.  When my wife and I honeymooned in Salem some years ago, we almost moved there…it was great.

Blessed Be

Taliesin Athor Govannon
HP, Coven of Caer Arianrhod
Taliesin’s Witchcraft Page

by Taliesin on Wed Apr 5th, 2006 at 10:05:04 PDT

And Laurie CHOSE to be flamboyant and wear black (4.00 / 2)

robes to make the point she is as much clergy as a Catholic priest.  It wasn’t JUST to be flamboyant. I’ve always liked her.

Sadly the Right has been rearing its ugly head in Salem.  They’ve had to close their traditionally open circle on Samhain because of harassment.  There’s a local minister who seems to be making it his life’;s work to drive us underground there–or maybe add a few more bodies to the witch hunt death tolls.

Scariest thing I ever saw was a busload of Baptists from N.C. heading over to the re-enactment of Bridget Bishop’s indictment–they were chattering gleefully about how much fun it would be to indict a witch, and how evil witches were.  And I remembered Ellen Goodman’s column int he 80s about sitting in on the performance and listening with horror as the audience, with enormous pleasure, indicted the woman–not because they thought the evidence merited it (no rational person in the 20tc c. could) but because they LIKED the idea of hanging someone who was different, and there was an undercurrent of “the occult is ALL bad” to it.

The difference between Laurie Cabot and this dude is that Laurie is an honest fighter for the rights of pagans, rather than someone who’s in it for the money, the notoriety or the publicity. And I have NEVER heard of her cursing ANYONE.

by irishwitch on Thu Apr 6th, 2006 at 14:13:31 PDT

[1] Link was to http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=16895116&method=full&siteid=66633&headline=witch–i-don-t-wanna-loch-dj–name_page.html

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